Atheists Are Idiots

There is a not-new but growing trend of self-appointed nerds who believe that their Atheist views are all at once novel, interesting and most importantly based on the sciences (even the fairly guessy ones like Climatology, Astronomy and Medicine). They seemingly don’t grasp that Science is not really a counterpoint to a discussion of a God or relevant to a criticism of religion. Furthermore, they envision everyone standing across from them are slack-jawed Jesus loving science hating idiots.

These phantom idiots largely only exist in their minds and make-believe stories where they mentally and rhetorically dominate some fundie co-worker/friends wife or husband at dinner/ or  person who should be smarter but surprisingly isn’t (for their purposes, this person is often someone who has an advanced degree of some kind) using their pristine logic based on sciences and the scientific method, as they learned it from having a Reddit account for the last couple months. A sure sign of a new Redditor is the usage of the words “herp” or “derp”. They think this is endlessly funny. It’s how retards talk. Get it?

Their beliefs are based on the laws and sciences collected on a tiny spec of dust within a mind numbingly infinite desert of similar dust particles, so vast in fact that these junior-scientists will not see nor visit even the closest flaming dust particle closest to their closest dust particle– yet they are experts on the hows, whys and whats of this vast expanse because on their dust particle they know how things seem to work.

A-ha.
Let us pause for a moment and go back to the “self appointed nerd” part:

Since the word nerd is now cool you can’t really call yourself that without appearing like someone who really needs a title to lean on.  And why are you a nerd? Because you play video games, write Python, watch science fiction and fantasy movies and subscribe to  scientific beliefs held in consensus by most everyone on the face of the earth?

Oh you.

I get that religious people are idiots sometimes, but i got it about 20 years ago the first time I met them and was invited to a “Christian youth group party”.  I made a mental note of it and moved on. That party sucked, those people were weird. Avoid. What the fuck happened to you?  What are your other hobbies? Challenging old people to fistfights and telling 5 year olds that Santa Claus is a bullshit story made up to make the holidays more fun for children? You’re a brave warrior.

And further, the fact that this collection of beliefs, verbal traditions (arguments and terms) and community is starting to look quite a bit like a religion– which presumably the ironic raison d’être opposition for any organized Atheism movement to begin with.

“I’m an atheist ” (smugly) is their “Allah Akbar”. We all need traditions and rituals to keep us feeling like there is some continuity and safety to things but coming from the group that seems to hate this kind of groupthink it’s a little confusing. And like most movements of this type, it again ironically follows a very Judeo-Christian format: things used to be better until these people came along and now we must work collectively to spread the word and get back to this purer time. All of the religious fanatics are ruining everything for everyone. Like what? For every post about religion or God or Jesus I see 10 about Atheism.

Ultimately, my biggest problem is with people who make an effort to proselytize their non-beliefs or non-practices. You don’t eat meat? Ok scoot over, let me eat it. You don’t drink or use drugs? My friend Keith does, i’ll pass this to him. You don’t believe in organized religion? Cool. I don’t believe in playing racquetball, find me a racquetball playing dickhead right fucking now. I’m not sure why, but I gotta set that guy straight.

One last but important thing to note is that Atheists, for some reason, don’t seem too interested in pointing out that extremist Muslims do a lot of bad shit without much reproach from the moderate sect of their religion. In fact, they rarely mention Islam at all. Exotic religions deserve some sort of deference because, while Islam is the only religion that currently has extremists oppressing, killing and attempting to gain official power, well– those guys fight back. Oh yeah, and they also have to co-mingle with the “I know more about cultures and propriety than you do” idiots out there. Strange bedfellows indeed.

Stale one-sided arguments about why science is so important and how you once made a volcano out of ordinary baking soda and vinegar below in the comments please.

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  1. Atheism is not a religion, and I see nothing wrong fighting/debating ignorance and superstition with facts and science.

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      • re·li·gion

        noun

        A specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects

        You’re belief is that there is no God or gods and you practice that by studying the sciences and debating with people that hold those beliefs.

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    • re·li·gion
      noun

      A specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.

      Your belief is that there is no God or gods and you practice that belief by studying the various sciences and debating people that do have faith in a God or gods.

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  2. I’m an athiest, I don’t think it’s my duty to correct the religious beliefs of others, I do think it’s my responsibility to respect everyone’s rights to worship their own god in their own way. I will never belittle, criticize, chastise, or argue another person’s beliefs.

    I’d love to find a god or something that I am able to believe in, but the from my own personal experiences and the logic I have at my disposal has lead me to my current position.

    I found your article hoping for something that could perhaps tickle some deep rooted religious sentiment inside me somewhere, unfortunately all I found you doing was criticizing my beliefs and labeling me based on the actions of other more extreme atheists who claim to adhere to the same religious idea’s I do.

    I have to tell you I am really disappointed in this article. It’s ignorant and highly hypocritical.

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    • the aim of the article was not meant to be an argument for religion, it was an argument for not being annoying atheism trolls. One thing i’m finding about Atheists is that their reading comprehension is poor. See below for more examples.

      • A. says: “See below for more examples”

        Excluding, that is, the comment of Relayer, who neither is nor considers himself to be an atheist, who entirely understood the point of A.’s post, and who sincerely hopes that it is not an embarrassing irony on A.’s part if he failed to comprehend the point of the comment: namely, that the whole issue (and not one side or the other) is just another example of silly human simplemindedness. Cut, divide and distribute everything. This is mine, that is yours, I am this, you are not. You are this, I am not. “Mommy, Johnny said I was stupid, but I’m not, whaaah.”

        I should say, ‘Now THAT, my friend, is misanthropy,’ but then I would be playing the same pathetic game, right? Regardless, reading miscomprehension occurs on both sides, all the time, inevitably–it’s the human way.

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      • Ummm… I really didn’t want to post here, but it appears I’m not above it. I’m pretty sure everyone realized you were being sarcastic and “ironical,” it wasn’t that sophisticated. The point is that your entire article (not just your poor analogy) is every bit as pompous, irritating and proselytizing as those uni-dimensional atheists you are railing against. But I guess that’s the point as well- what fun is being a misanthrope if you can’t try to convert others to your “religion”? Everybody seems to have a cause…

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  3. What is the ‘-ist’ term for someone who does not believe in Santa Claus? There isn’t one, because no one cares whether or not you believe in Santa Claus. But lots of people, organizations, governments care whether you believe in their god. Hence the term ‘atheist’, which means ‘one who does not believe in God’. That is to say, the term presupposes the existence/reality/relevance of that god. To use the term ‘A-theist’ is to make theism the standard. It presupposes that there is already something not to believe in. The point is that in using their terminology, you so-called ‘atheists’ are unwittingly playing and legitimating the same old stupid little human dichotomy game. If someone asks whether you are a believer or an atheist, the only appropriate response is ‘fuck off’. “Oh, you don’t believe in Santa Claus, so you must be one of those ‘asantaists’!” “Uh, yeah, that’s right, that’s who/what I AM, and I’m proud of it. We all are! Woohooo! Go Asantaists! ASA! ASA! Whose turn is it?”

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      • Fuck

        spaces.

        But otherwise, bad timing on my reply to your comment above–didn’t see it until after I posted.

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      • Read more, huh? If only you knew… Anyway, I am not making the simplistic comparison that Jesus is like Santa because both are unreal. In fact, everything I said above is entirely compatible with thinking that Santa is fictional and Jesus is really god (or the son of god, or whatever). I think you should learn other’s beliefs and then respect them (see your own comment below). Don’t criticize, my good friend!! (But you should learn to spell.)

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  4. andy don’t let these teenage idiots get in your way. write for the seasoned misanthropists, not them.

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  6. I almost fucking died when I saw something new on here, great article though, I sense the rage is strong with you.

    First off the whole atheism is not a religion point is indeed correct, then why do so many treat the anti-religion as a religion itself?
    The main thing that pisses me off about atheists is that they still pray to god on their death beds, they all pray in the end. Atheists tend to forget one very important thing about science, it is made up of theories, sure it is likely that they are correct with a lot of evidence in favor but at the end of the day they can be proven wrong at any time with new evidence coming to light. I personally do not believe in god, I have seen no proof quantitative or qualitative therefore I come to the conclusion that god does not exist. I do not discount the notion of god or a god entirely any good scientist knows not to discount something entirely without irrefutable proof, as no irrefutable proof of gods non existence can be found we cannot entirely discount the possibility of god. I just like to think there is no god, if there is he’s one sick puppy so I will say there is no god, or at least not as we imagine it. I will only push this into the face of real religious assholes.

    Also, being a nerd is never, has never and will never be cool. If you need a title to ease the fact that you’re social inept/incompetent then you’re indeed a sad, strange waste of a person. Knowledge is nothing without substance and if you cannot have a normal conversation then you’re more than screwed. Good luck reproducing and continuing the species, therefore fulfilling the only meaning your life has (scientifically speaking) if you cannot hold a conversation.

    Your point about realizing something is bad/ wrong/ misguided and avoiding it is a great one. I mean something doesn’t work for you, just because it doesn’t work for you doesn’t mean it won’t for someone else. Some people need hope and shit. I’ve met very intelligent Christians, usually I’d discount them as idiots. This one guy ‘Christfag’ was a very intelligent theist. We had some great debates and conversations. There are very many religious morons but it isn’t our personal mission to make them see our point of view. That makes us no better than radical theists. We may as well be the jehovahs witnesses of science. I only bring debate to theists when they bring it to me or when they’re making really stupid decisions based on their own faith, each to their own. I’m now indifferent in 99.5% of cases.

    The thing that angers me the most is that atheism is now a fad it’s almost hipster. People thing being an atheist is cool. It isn’t. People treat it as a religion believing its word vehemently as if it were their religion while forgetting the very nature of the scientific method. For all intents and purposes the matter of gods existence is open for debate and in no way a settled matter. You chose your side, you argue in a logical and civilized manner, sure you’ll sling a little shit, after all we’re apes, it’s what we do but don’t ever completely ignore the other side or discount their intelligence and/ or argument entirely. Due to the blatant idiocy and shit slinging and hypocrisy I refuse to call myself an atheist not preferring to say I just don’t and can’t believe in god.

    Oh and on our Islamic friends, they’re the worst this religion disgusts me to the point where I’d enjoy to see gone or at least forced to modernize, especially their treatment of women. They are the only religion I actively hate. They get away with way to much in the name of god. If god did exist he smite these guys.

    Idiots are idiots I guess.

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  7. The last comment was written way to early in the morning.
    I would like to see radical islam destroyed. They get away with way too much.

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  8. “I believe in God.” “I don’t believe in God.”

    =

    “Blee blahck bloo blap bloo.” “Blah bloo blah blah.”

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  9. Wow I had assumed there would be a much larger bitch fest or shit slinging contest here, I am somewhat proud of you all.

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  10. Another thing I’d like to say is that the whole argument for and against the existence of the almighty is pretty pointless. There’s no solid proof for either side, we will never know the truth until we die and even then we lose our consciousness so we probably wouldn’t know anyway. If we’re able to say to ourselves, through a storm of D.M.T that we were wrong or right it wouldn’t matter. The argument in itself is meaningless. We waste our time debating this issue when other more pressing ones are at hand.
    We may waste our whole lives arguing either point making our existence equally pointless. This entire argument is a waste of our precious time on this rock and I for one will not waste anymore of my life arguing either point. Consider me 99.98% indifferent from now on.

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  11. Really, today’s religion is as relavent as shaking turtle shell rattles and worshipping the sun was just a couple of centuries ago. What’s the problem?

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  12. Annoying atheists that direct their activism (a generous way to describe their antics)in the wrong direction abound. No disagreement from me there. However there is still a lot to be said for standing for a cause which one believes is just. And minimizing religion’s impact in politics is one of those more than just causes us sometimes overzealous atheists like to champion.
    I dare anybody to watch the presidential debates that will play out over the next year and then tell me religion does not have a negative influence on how people view political issues and choose their leaders. I have no hesitation about attacking this issue with as much fervency as is utilized by the religious people I criticize. Their is nothing wrong with this sort of passion when it is directed by reason. Sometimes being a jaded misanthrope stops us from being passionate about what we believe in.

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  13. Playing the devil’s advocate here (no pun intended) most comments herein are both cogent and spot on. Most I don’t agree with, but I respect a well thought out argument for whichever viewpoint one has. I’m amused at some of the pro religeous folks using the “F” word so freely!

    I thinik Jesus was a great hisitorical person, it’s the “God” part that confuses me!

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  14. Poorly though out post, nothing original, mostly ad hominem arguments. Sadly you’re making me more of a misanthropist than I need to be, and that is not the reason why i’ve gone to this site in the past.

    We “sadly don’t grasp that science is not a counterpoint to a discussion of a god”? Did you consider backing that claim up with an argument and then realize that it was on-its-face absurd? Heard of copernicus? galileo? darwin? tisk tisk.

    Atheist views are not just based on science by the way, how about logic? You expect me to believe when in an eternal afterlife? In a loving omnipotent invisible space god?

    I’m an atheist is our allah akbar? I suppose a benefit on the atheist side is that they typically don’t blow themselves up after identifying themselves as non-believers.

    I’m not going to go on, i’ve wasted enough time. I’d appreciate it if you have more reason and less feelings in your future arguments, thought I won’t be reading them. Not only do I lack faith in god, now I lack faith in your site.

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    • Firstly there is no science to support atheism. Secondly logic does not support it neither. Argument for religion? From nothing comes nothing. From something comes something else. Cause -> Effect. Atheism relies way too much on luck and chance to be taken seriously.

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  15. theirs a line between science and and the good word..but it has been a conversation for alot of years…the power to beleave is the true power and sometimes takes over science

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  16. Proselytizing internet atheists get on my nerves because they usually are as boring as Jehova’s witnesses and discussions usually go from zero to stupid in 0,5 seconds with all kinds of language used. I think that calling someone a “moron” or a “retarded six year old” for their beliefs is indication of certain lack of broadness of mind and is in really really bad taste.

    Live and let live, we live in times where religion is fortunately ( at least in the west ) safely divorced from state affairs and pretty easy to ignore if you are not so inclined, yet a day does not pass without having to witness or survive an aggressive attack by what I can hardly describe as anything else than a missionary, spouting drivel that is supposed to be intelligent argumentation against religion.

    Im not really all too religious but damn, is it so hard to figure out that some people need religion to provide the backbone of their morals, is the concept of “faith” so hard to accept? Hell, a lot of religions are built around the idea of being nice to your fellow human, why is it so hard to distinguish idea and intention from politics ( regarding religious wars and stuff )?

    I believe its not, if some people would just stop yelling “look at me Im so smaaaart”.

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    • But the thing is it’s a very simple belief system for them to have: “I don’t see anything spiritual or supernatural so it must not be so”

      Fair enough, but why bother those who do?

      Not even getting into all the unexplained wonders in our world, don’t discuss it with them. They are nerds with an erector set who think that everything is about electronics and fucking their blowup doll.

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  18. All religion is merely superstition. Step on a crack; break your mother’s back. Sin, and go to hell. Some believe, some don’t. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Labeling each other just aides in promoting hatred.
    What seems lost on most people is that person’s religious beliefs end where mine (or lack thereof) begin. Just like a person’s personal freedoms end where mine begin. Don’t come knocking on my door proselytizing, I don’t want to hear it. Likewise, don’t make political decisions that effect my life base upon your religion. The two are supposed to be separated.
    A lot of harm has occurred in the name of organized religion over the centuries, and continues to this day. If, instead, everyone believed in the potential of the “self” rather than praying for some external force to save them from whatever life may throw at them, this planet would be a better place. People should take personal responsibility for their actions, or lack thereof. That’s one of the reasons our society is in decline. Millions of citizens sit on their complacent asses and pray to their god for things to get better, rather than taking personal responsibility for the way things are. It’s much easier to pray than to take to the streets and force social and political change.
    People who attribute all things, good and bad, to some mythological being, in my opinion, are weak minded. You make your own heaven or hell on this earth, not in some mythical afterlife. It’s all in your mind. Free your mind–free yourself.

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    • read history properly
      get both sides and soon you will relaise that thier are good and bad people thought history ,they use ideas to damage people and abuse religious teaching.

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  19. You have to love the irony in using technologies that wouldn’t exist without science to try and down play its significance. People can believe whatever they want and waste their time in whatever way they feel fit. I see the “believers” as nothing more then the disturbed old bag lady that talks to squirrels in the park. As long as she’s not harming anyone she can do what she wants. Could her time be spent more productively though? Probably. Do you feel sorry for her? a little.

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    • Not surprisingly most believers feel the same way about atheists. Only difference is that we wish you could keep your opinions to yourselves.

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  20. Religion (n.) : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

    …Atheists seem to hold onto the belief of “There is no higher power” with ardor and faith. Can they be classified as a religion? Yes!

    I care what your beliefs are. I care what you all think so that I can learn more from every person I meet. I respect you, if you respect me. We’re all the same and deserve the right to our opinions. It makes me laugh when social atheists demand that everyone should have their own views and persecute those who hold different viewpoints of their own. Although, most of these social atheists I encountered were goth coven girls, “polytheist atheists” and these teenage scene girls going through their high school Wiccan phase (totally contradicts the progressiveness they preach). It makes me sick to see them demeaning others for believing in something that they are passionate for. They try to preach peace and love and yet they want to hurt and desecrate a system that works differently. Good God, why can’t they leave us alone?! It is hypocritical and idiotic. Most of them, I am sad to say, cannot put up a good argument!

    Religion is not superstition. In fact, the Catholic Church proudly demeans ALL superstition. The Catholics believe that superstition is idiotic and stupid. Um, do some research and maybe you would not look like a mongoloid when the REAL facts are presented to you.

    Religion and science do go hand in hand. I believe that science is amazing. happen, because a higher power makes these scientific phenomena happen.

    Separation between Church and State was meant to PROTECT THE CHURCH, by the way.

    I enjoyed Relayer’s post. Ser, people like you give me hope that I can talk to someone without being called a “bitch” or for being Catholic. I am even sad to say that lots of my friends left me once I told them. I enjoyed reading through it, and you are eloquent.

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  21. Theists believe in at least one deity.
    Atheists believe there are no deities.
    Agnostics don’t believe in deities and don’t believe there are no deities.

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      • Seriously? That’s it? That’s what you seek? I guess I wouldn’t be so appalled if I didn’t think that your mentality was so indicative of the American, and even world, mindset as a whole. But good for you for reading! Keep it up, brother!!

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  22. “One last but important thing to note is that Atheists, for some reason, don’t seem too interested in pointing out that extremist Muslims do a lot of bad shit without much reproach from the moderate sect of their religion. In fact, they rarely mention Islam at all. Exotic religions deserve some sort of deference because, while Islam is the only religion that currently has extremists oppressing, killing and attempting to gain official power, well– those guys fight back”

    Moderates do hate extremists because they are hurt by their actions. Moderates are killed in attacks and extremism hurts their reputation around the world. I doubt you’re very in touch with moderate Muslims… you won’t exactly hear too many official moderate statements because they’re not a political cult like extremists are, dumbass. Does your random local Episcopalian church regularly denounce the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church?

    Oh,and maybe your atheists don’t mention Islam because they aren’t muslims and don’t feel they know enough to have a well-rounded conversation. Most of the time the narrative is that the person was raised religiously and somehow came to the conclusion it was bullshit through their personal experiences. Ex-muslim atheists talk about Islam.

    Islam isn’t the only religion currently killing/oppressing people or vying for political power, either. Look at those hilarious and terrifying personhood amendments. And what does it even matter if the oppression is current for an atheist’s argument?

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    • lol the westboro church is made up of one inbred clan and has about 70-100 members, and yes every other baptist church and basically every church in general HAVE issued condemnations. Christians arent suicide bombing, stoning women, kidnapping and killing dogs in Europe, committing honour killings cuz their daughters have boyfriends or use facebook, and there are no Christian nations working to institute stone age religious law like the people in Egypt and Libya now that their dictators (who in practical terms were rather secular and progressive) are gone. you have absolutely no perspective.

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  23. Truth be told, Atheism is actually a religion. It requires faith that you are right in the non-existence of God and that all the other religions are wrong. It takes a whole other kind of crazy to actually believe in the bullshit you tell yourself. Why do I say this? Simple. To be alive you actually need an animating life force. To deny that you are alive is insane if you are not a ghost. All living creatures share the same life force, which tells me they are from the same source. To deny this is again further proof of insanity. Disagree with me? Prove your non-existence then for me. It is comfortable the idea that whatever actions you take have no consequence in the afterlife, but do you really want to bet on it?

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  24. this man is cleaerly an asshole
    but hey those who though hate at christ for bad priests are assholes too so these two are evenly bad.
    Dawkins is the top asshole ,so thier a family.

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  25. Wow, so many people getting needlessly tied up with semantics. Regardless of whether you consider atheism to be a religion, the point of the article is that militant atheists have a tendency to display very large amounts of high-profile bigotry. Considering that this is the very same complaint they have of those who practice religion, it is both ironic and hypocritical.

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  26. I am so glad to see most of the non-believers have been upgraded to agnosticism in this forum. Way to go! That is the scientific approach. When you don’t believe in something that cannot be proved or disproved, you disassociate yourself from the subject. When you take a side you basically have to defend it.

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  27. Life could only have existed on Earth with the smallest chance, one almost inconceivable. 1/3,000,000,000,000,000 was the probability (proven) that life would exist on Earth. Only a greater being could have manipulated everything to allow such an anomaly in the universe. As I read earlier, atheism is based way too much on chance and luck.
    Ironic how atheists also consider themselves to be so enlightened. They believe that they are the only humans on Earth who are sensible. When presented with SCIENTIFIC FRICKING EVIDENCE, Atheists always disregard that their own argument was just countered. I’ve yet to meet an atheist who will admit to a minor defeat when presented with evidence THEY know and I know to be more substantial than their entire belief.
    While both sides ask each other’s beliefs not to be thrust upon the other, atheists do this to a greater extent. While believes attempt to show someone their way, Atheists shove their unblessed nostrils into the whole thing, exclaiming “Don’t listen, it’s all lies! Come with us! There aren’t any reasons for us to say this crap, but we sure can think we’re smarter! Come on! Join us!”
    Meanwhile, back in the sensible part of the God/no God argument, Christians sit back and say “You may believe what we say if it is to be.” Unlike atheists say, most believers DO NOT say “Be condemned to hell! Rot in the depths of the river of fire! God shall smite you where you stand, and a testiment you shall be to all who oppose Christianity!” THIS IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE SAY! The overzealous may say things like this, but the overzealous are commonly the ones to go astray of the real teachings. *(Hint, hint; Hernan Cortes?”)
    Also, on a political note, I’d like to say that the Democratic Party is the ‘WHEW GO ATHEISTS” party. SWEEPING GENERALIZATION, MUCH? Almost a half of the people I know in my church are Democrats, and aren’t too religious, like the aforementioned overzealous fools, but don’t completely abandon religion. Also, there is no barrier between the parties in my church. Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, Obama-haters and Obama-appreciaters, and Obama-worshippers. Doesn’t matter.
    ‘Nuff said.

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    • Correction: In the last paragraph, I accidentally had “that the Democratic party is the “WHEW GO ATHEISTS” party” when I meant “that the Democratic part is NOT the “WHEW GO ATHEISTS” party”
      ‘Nuff said.

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    • oh, and btw, the dude in that picture is a total deuce. dont let that one picture color your whole view of atheists

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  29. HAHAHA, epic post. Watching all the people getting butt hurt and commenting on this is cracking me up. The advancement of the human race is great thing. And Paula, you are a freaking a lunatic. I’m not saying that because your atheist. I would say the same thing if you were a theist. Your nuts lady, get on your meds. Btw I get this feeling your Canadian. God doesn’t exist is a fact? I’ll need you to provide a complete and absolute 100% empirical evidence to back that up then since your so smart and I’m sure you don’t want to come off as arrogant. Don’t give me that bullshit like prayer only works 50% of the time or theory of evolution proves him wrong. And don’t you dare go after that absence of evidence is the evidence of absence crap either. That’s taking the easy way out. I can’t empirically prove either way whether he exists or not. Its all about belief, but don’t say it like you know it. Btw, there are plenty of free-thinking, logical, and brilliant minds in the world that are religious. Since your a Chris Hitchens. Props for being outspoken, but your arrogant as shit. If your anything like Hitchens then your also a bloated chain smoking drunk. PEACE weirdo.

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  31. as an atheist i do have to say that just because i dont believe in a god or higher power doesnt mean that i ever went to college, because i didnt. also, i have parents that believe in god, i was raised to believe in god, go to church even though i thought it was a ludicrous idea even at the age of 10, and until i was 18, was forced to go to one church or another against my will. i saw the way a religion that was written, word-of-mouth, 400 years after the supposed incident, somehow looks to follow the changing governments of the times and their changes. then i started thinking for myself, that ended it all for me, because i saw that underneath it all, there is the rule to love everyone equally(which is to my knowledge and experience almost never followed) and be a decent person. those are great ideas. but why do i need someone else to tell me to be the person i want to be already? the answer is simple to me. religion is a way to scare people who would otherwise not care about anyone but themselves to show compassion and love to others. i dont hate religion, i just hate that people need to have a reason to be decent people. ( sorry if this doesnt make sense to anyone else, it made sense in my head while i was typing it)

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  32. As a Muslim i will say that it isnt “Allah Akbar” . It is Allahu Akbar. You just said “Allah great” instead of “Allah is greatest”. Just mentioning people =P

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  33. This is part of the reason atheists are so interesting. Many times they argue against a set of beliefs that the religious people don’t even believe. Windmills and strawmen.

    For example:
    “as an atheist i do have to say that just because i dont believe in a god or higher power doesnt mean that i ever went to college, because i didnt. also, i have parents that believe in god, i was raised to believe in god, go to church even though i thought it was a ludicrous idea even at the age of 10, and until i was 18, was forced to go to one church or another against my will.”

    My parents made me go to church, too. I still believe, but I kind of resented that at the time. I’m with you so far…

    “i saw the way a religion that was written, word-of-mouth, 400 years after the supposed incident, somehow looks to follow the changing governments of the times and their changes.”

    I’m not sure what this means, but if it’s a reference to the Bible, your dates are incorrect.

    “then i started thinking for myself, that ended it all for me, because i saw that underneath it all, there is the rule to love everyone equally(which is to my knowledge and experience almost never followed) and be a decent person.”

    How come atheists are the only ones capable of thinking for themselves? To be such free thinkers, a lot of their reasoning is virtually identical from atheist to atheist, factual errors about what religious people believe included. Did you calculate the 400 years yourself, or did another atheist do this for you? Something smells funny here.

    “those are great ideas. but why do i need someone else to tell me to be the person i want to be already? the answer is simple to me. religion is a way to scare people who would otherwise not care about anyone but themselves to show compassion and love to others.”

    If that’s the way I viewed my religion, I’d stop believing, too. Actually, it wasn’t news to the people in the Bible that people generally behave badly. Sometimes quite a lot and quite often. That isn’t the main point of the Bible, and hence we have another windmill under attack from the Quixote club. The Christian faith, at least, has as its central point the good news about how we’re saved from sin and death. Jesus affirmed the golden rule that you seem to like, but he didn’t claim to invent it, and we know he didn’t invent it. That’s not the point of Christianity.

    “i dont hate religion, i just hate that people need to have a reason to be decent people.”

    That’s not why I believe. And now two innocent windmills lie bleeding in the field…

    “( sorry if this doesnt make sense to anyone else, it made sense in my head while i was typing it)”

    I get what you’re saying, and if I thought that religion was exactly as you described it, I’d have tossed the belief a long time ago, too. I think you have a concept of religion in your head that is a strawmanish half truth. Sure, lots of people have done bad things and used religion to control others. Some people, even in recent history, have used purely secular means of controlling people. Religion isn’t the definitive contributing factor in that evil human phenomenon.

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  34. Mostly everyone here is either passively propigating half truths but attempting to evince whole truths by deliberately execrating their own confused predilections. Stop saying “oh, well you can’t prove it either way, so it’s illogical to prove either point” type of shit. Wow, what a brain expanding concept for us to luxuriate over while we think about what porn should be watched next until returning to ruminate over these soul shifting arguements. Teleological arguements for God are all clearly the most susceptible to ergo propter hoc and post hoc fallacies. But its the same retarded equivalency to think you can hocus pokus their faith based errors out of the deck like it never should of happened to begin with. Atheists wouldn’t arrive at the answers they have if it weren’t for, simply put, bad reasoning, misapplied logic as to teleologic and ontologic suppositions. They are presuppositions when a great first cosmic cause is promulgated. Those would clear headway for the post/ad hoc and hominem gap leapers. The real problem Atheists are confronted with is that too many pressupose they have to fill that gap as well. But it just cannot be filled by rote facts alone, by amazingly brilliant and well honed theories alone, or by proliferating the most ground breaking bilogical study to fill those god of the gap fallacies. It comes down to a sort of elite status quo. In other words, who is ethically, intellectually and socially nailing what needs to be said in the face of classic cases of religious fundamentalists refutations. Though I think it to be far too simple to continually repudiate and openly neglect all religious discoursing. Atheists need to stop playing the gods who put everything back in their rightfully deserved spot; the scientific naturalist order isn’t out of place, if anything it should be instilled far more than it has been, but irrespective of that, there needs to be a ground that welcomes more than those who merely seek a religionless paradise. Because, we should own the fuck up to it, we will never live in a religon – free utopia. I can not and am not foisting blame. I think it’s very admirable that Atheists seek to reify such a belief. But, again, this is what much of this is all based upon. A belief. So, yes, Atheism has its religious propensity. So do a lot of people, whether or not they believe or reject religion. It’s clearly an intrinsically human trait to want to live in a way that objectifies not only the human character but the spiritual self as well. Atheists are doing much of the same of what Christians aim to accomplish when you think about it. They, too, are trying to make somewhat abstract concepts of deeper components into tangible and realistic axioms to live by. It’s just that what is tangible greatly differs from person to person, group to group. What one experiences daily, for instance, as a tangible and very real part of his being, the next person has not the slightest awareness of. But that doesn’t leave the person who isn’t open to their tangibility, less realisitc or less aware or less sensitive. Lastly, I’d just like to say that the human kingdom as a whole needs a big fucking arrangement. We all suffer incessantly from exaggerating skill, intellect and ability to fit our egocentric model of the universe. WHY? It’s as if when we are not happy, no one else, including the universe can be happy. Microcosm misery = Macrocosm misery. When we are the happiest, however, it transitions full circle. Now the question of what universal truths are is blown out of the equation. Microcosm bliss = Macrocosm bliss. But the question really is, what are we missing when we have this concurrence of micro meets macrocosm bliss? Moreover, what aren’t we missing when we have this micro/macrocosm misery? Perhaps is as if we are being perpetually reminded without having the faintest grasp. It’s analagous to waking up from a bad dream, then going back to sleep without a care or concern as to what it meant. How many times can you be abruptly awoken amid sleep but form a cyclical resistance to whatever it was that had aroused disturbance in the first place? It’s as if you’re being repeatedly thrusted back into the dream without ever resolving what made you wake up from it. Much like the ongoing disputations between Atheists and believers. You’re going to keep waking up to what you don’t like, yet never quite discovering what created that initial contention to happen from the getgo. It’s obviously reflexive, but you train it to be. You know what to say when it comes up each time. But it all seems to be done more or less from a reactionary disposition. That is what you have to be the most careful of. That reflexive lashing is the most wounding to either speaker. Surprisingly it looks like a mental stratagem that Christians have been able to refine in many ways; though more often than not, their asinine display of logical premise is what abjures their chance of effectively biting down on the “hook of reason”, instead they openly lacerate their own defense by counter – logical presumptive inferences. Contradistinction is one way to go about it, but turning a cheek to the evidence to go back to why Jesus died for our sins is not the most effectual way of reasoning, rather it only cheats your intellect by narrow assertions and the myopic declaration “He did it once, he’ll do it again!”. Fucks. There whole problem is too glaring, that’s why they can’t stop running back to their trite doctrines of salvation. If only they knew what that word even meant. Fucks.

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  35. considering that maybe 70% (or more) of the people in this world are religious to an extent, you can only be a true misantropic if you hate religion aswell

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  36. I’m an atheist. And the religious debate doesn’t matter to me I really couldn’t care less.

    Yes I know it relies a lot on luck and chance but people do win the mega millions lottery you know.

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  37. What is better: to deny the existence of God or to make a false acknowlegement. Most atheists, in my experience, tend to be intellectually honest, fair-minded, and moral people. They simply don’t believe in a God any more than they believe throwing salt over their shoulder will bring them good luck. At least they are not generally hypocritical like so many so-called religious people, who judge others as if God were constantly looking over their shoulder but live their own lives as if God was on vacation. Live in a Godly fashion and treat everyone with respect, honesty, and compassion and you will be astonished at how receptive they will become to the gift of faith.

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  39. It’s just a badly-named American secularist movement. Even the core principle, that the US constitution rejects religious morality, is totally false.

    But hey, I first heard about the whole concept of gods outside of a fictional context when I was 12 and didn’t really realize until nearly 18 that people actually believed in them. Your description makes me suspect you had a somewhat easy time as well. So we can mitigate some of the hate by realizing that most of these people DIDN’T have it easy. They grew up indoctrinated. Somebody close to them, LOTS of people close to them, said they’ll go to hell for listening to “atheists” and frankly, that mutual affirmation is why it has to be a party unto itself. Both sides are scared, and they are doing what scared people do. (“Christians” aren’t even close to being one camp either, but they’ll pretend to be one to unite against “Atheists”)

    There is a specific package of issues and an approach to morality inherent in this which has spread globally (thanks, internet) and co-opted the atheist concept. They’re not talking about Muslims because whether they realize it or not, the entire world’s Atheists with a capital A are a political party belonging (mainly) to the US. It’s not a shock – all the world’s largest social networks started as US communities and then “localized” to the rest of the world. But on the other hand, spreading the hate out to Islam as well has been trending lately so I guess the community is somewhat self-aware about this… or they’re just being Americans all the more loudly.

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  40. Atheism is the “absence of theism,” nothing more, nothing less.

    Anti-theism is diametrically opposed to theism.

    There is much confusion about atheism being anti-theistic, but it’s not, although anti-theism is typically also atheistic, so what this author is actually complaining about is anti-theism.

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